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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://rogueamoeba.com/utm/2008/03/16/mea-culpa/comment-page-1/#comment-640</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, basically, the copyright holder is cool with how you handled it, right? Cool. End of story.

Now back off you GPL wolves. Sheesh. In fact, you even mention that there&#039;s a grace period in GPLv3. But that matters not since the copyright holder has basically said &quot;no harm no foul.&quot; 

Stop being so harsh, Anon. Sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, basically, the copyright holder is cool with how you handled it, right? Cool. End of story.</p>
<p>Now back off you GPL wolves. Sheesh. In fact, you even mention that there&#8217;s a grace period in GPLv3. But that matters not since the copyright holder has basically said &#8220;no harm no foul.&#8221; </p>
<p>Stop being so harsh, Anon. Sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://rogueamoeba.com/utm/2008/03/16/mea-culpa/comment-page-1/#comment-417</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Anonymous:&lt;/b&gt; I&#039;m not sure what your point is, nor where anyone is &quot;mistaken&quot;. Yes, there was copyright infringement, we admitted as much. 

When we learned of this, we immediately rectified the situation, by removing the infringing code. As you can see from the comment above your own (as well as his own site), the copyright holder, Jon Lech Johansen, is quite satisfied. Thus, the matter is resolved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Anonymous:</b> I&#8217;m not sure what your point is, nor where anyone is &#8220;mistaken&#8221;. Yes, there was copyright infringement, we admitted as much. </p>
<p>When we learned of this, we immediately rectified the situation, by removing the infringing code. As you can see from the comment above your own (as well as his own site), the copyright holder, Jon Lech Johansen, is quite satisfied. Thus, the matter is resolved.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://rogueamoeba.com/utm/2008/03/16/mea-culpa/comment-page-1/#comment-411</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are mistaken.

Kindly point out the section in GPLv2 that absolves you of copyright infringement for the copies that you distributed.

It is certainly true that you cannot be forced to open source your code but you nonetheless have no distribution license if you do not comply with the GPL and have thus committed copyright infringement.

(GPLv3 has a grace period where you can come into compliance.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are mistaken.</p>
<p>Kindly point out the section in GPLv2 that absolves you of copyright infringement for the copies that you distributed.</p>
<p>It is certainly true that you cannot be forced to open source your code but you nonetheless have no distribution license if you do not comply with the GPL and have thus committed copyright infringement.</p>
<p>(GPLv3 has a grace period where you can come into compliance.)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://rogueamoeba.com/utm/2008/03/16/mea-culpa/comment-page-1/#comment-410</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, &quot;Paul Ward&quot; is not Rogue Amoeba&#039;s Paul, though he&#039;s echoing most of my thinking 8).

Anyhow, as noted, this was cleared up quickly, and we took the proper steps to fix the issue. The idea that the GPL can be used as some sort of &quot;Gotcha!&quot;, where if you ever use it you&#039;re suddenly forced to open all your source, is both wrong and ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, &#8220;Paul Ward&#8221; is not Rogue Amoeba&#8217;s Paul, though he&#8217;s echoing most of my thinking 8).</p>
<p>Anyhow, as noted, this was cleared up quickly, and we took the proper steps to fix the issue. The idea that the GPL can be used as some sort of &#8220;Gotcha!&#8221;, where if you ever use it you&#8217;re suddenly forced to open all your source, is both wrong and ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Quentin Smith</title>
		<link>http://rogueamoeba.com/utm/2008/03/16/mea-culpa/comment-page-1/#comment-409</link>
		<dc:creator>Quentin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Section 3 of the GPL v2 covers when source code must be distributed:

&quot;3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:

a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,

b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,

c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in object code or executable form with such an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)&quot;

Subsection c does not apply because RA is commercial. Subsection a does not apply because they did not include source code with the download. Therefore, subsection b applies - RA must, &quot;for at least three years&quot;, give the source code out to &quot;any third party&quot;. In a practical sense, this offer only actually applies for those people who download the binary from RA, because those are the people who have a license with RA.

Or, RA could say they do not agree to the GPL and suffer the results of their copyright infringement. It sounds like that&#039;s what they&#039;re doing here.

--Quentin (not RA&#039;s Quentin)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Section 3 of the GPL v2 covers when source code must be distributed:</p>
<p>&#8220;3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:</p>
<p>a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,</p>
<p>b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,</p>
<p>c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in object code or executable form with such an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)&#8221;</p>
<p>Subsection c does not apply because RA is commercial. Subsection a does not apply because they did not include source code with the download. Therefore, subsection b applies &#8211; RA must, &#8220;for at least three years&#8221;, give the source code out to &#8220;any third party&#8221;. In a practical sense, this offer only actually applies for those people who download the binary from RA, because those are the people who have a license with RA.</p>
<p>Or, RA could say they do not agree to the GPL and suffer the results of their copyright infringement. It sounds like that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re doing here.</p>
<p>&#8211;Quentin (not RA&#8217;s Quentin)</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Fisher</title>
		<link>http://rogueamoeba.com/utm/2008/03/16/mea-culpa/comment-page-1/#comment-408</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s equal parts people with an anti-open source agenda and open source proponents with no grasp on reality. Glad to hear neither of the primaries involved in this one has any such agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s equal parts people with an anti-open source agenda and open source proponents with no grasp on reality. Glad to hear neither of the primaries involved in this one has any such agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Lech Johansen</title>
		<link>http://rogueamoeba.com/utm/2008/03/16/mea-culpa/comment-page-1/#comment-407</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Lech Johansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 03:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Paul said, Rogue Amoeba is not required to release the source code if they are no longer distributing any GPL&#039;ed code. That anyone would be forced to do so is a common misconception, one that is perpetuated by people with an anti-open source agenda (&quot;Open Source is a cancer that will doom your proprietary product if GPL&#039;ed code finds its way into it&quot;).

Thanks Quentin and Rogue Amoeba for the prompt resolution of this matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Paul said, Rogue Amoeba is not required to release the source code if they are no longer distributing any GPL&#8217;ed code. That anyone would be forced to do so is a common misconception, one that is perpetuated by people with an anti-open source agenda (&#8220;Open Source is a cancer that will doom your proprietary product if GPL&#8217;ed code finds its way into it&#8221;).</p>
<p>Thanks Quentin and Rogue Amoeba for the prompt resolution of this matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave M.</title>
		<link>http://rogueamoeba.com/utm/2008/03/16/mea-culpa/comment-page-1/#comment-404</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Paul! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Paul! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Ward</title>
		<link>http://rogueamoeba.com/utm/2008/03/16/mea-culpa/comment-page-1/#comment-403</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve: The GPL only requires you to release code for GPL software that you&#039;re distributing. If there&#039;s no GPL code in your binary, you don&#039;t have to release the code. Since RA stopped distributing Airfoil after discovering the violation and taking corrective action, wait, why am I bothering to explain this? Stop being a jackass and go read the GPL yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve: The GPL only requires you to release code for GPL software that you&#8217;re distributing. If there&#8217;s no GPL code in your binary, you don&#8217;t have to release the code. Since RA stopped distributing Airfoil after discovering the violation and taking corrective action, wait, why am I bothering to explain this? Stop being a jackass and go read the GPL yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Ward</title>
		<link>http://rogueamoeba.com/utm/2008/03/16/mea-culpa/comment-page-1/#comment-402</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think anyone can find fault in doing the right thing. While some might call on you guys to open your source, that&#039;s not really a viable option for an ISV like you, so fessing up and removing the GPL code is definitely the right thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone can find fault in doing the right thing. While some might call on you guys to open your source, that&#8217;s not really a viable option for an ISV like you, so fessing up and removing the GPL code is definitely the right thing to do.</p>
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