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	<title>Comments on: Reading Between the Lines of Apple&#8217;s FCC Reply</title>
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		<title>By: El Aura</title>
		<link>http://rogueamoeba.com/utm/2009/08/21/reading-between-the-lines-of-apples-fcc-reply/comment-page-1/#comment-2131</link>
		<dc:creator>El Aura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;8,500 new applications and updates every week&quot;
There are lot of apps at the 1.0 stage, but also a lot who have received numerous updates. I would not be surprised if 50-80% of those &#039;8500 new applications and updates every week&#039; are updates only. Some updates might be substantial, but most will be rather minor and trivial, ie, something that can really be winked through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;8,500 new applications and updates every week&#8221;<br />
There are lot of apps at the 1.0 stage, but also a lot who have received numerous updates. I would not be surprised if 50-80% of those &#8217;8500 new applications and updates every week&#8217; are updates only. Some updates might be substantial, but most will be rather minor and trivial, ie, something that can really be winked through.</p>
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		<title>By: Julius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“but the vast majority of iPhone users are not children”

Just want to point out that while children might not use you&#039;re iPhone, one does use my wife&#039;s and used my iPod Touch as much as we do. Know, she&#039;s not placing phone calls on it, she got the same dozen-and-a-half or so apps just for her on both devices.

Granted, children aren&#039;t the direct target for the iPhone, but they are a secondary users of it. Or as is the case for my iPod touch, it&#039;s primarily for her. While I have all my apps on it, we have Playhouse Mickey, Caillou, and other TV shows as well as Mary Poppins, Dumbo and other G-rated movies for trips in the car. Not to mention the many alphabet, math and reading games for use in the restaurant while we&#039;re waiting for food or when mom and dad want to have a few minutes of quiet time after she&#039;s finished her meal.

My wife and I are the filter of what she views, hears, and accesses as much as humanly possible. The world being what it is, we can&#039;t control everything. Having said that, we appreciate Apple taking extra measures to help filter content. It&#039;s not their responsibility, but it sure helps. For those who don&#039;t see the benefit of a company taking children into consideration, well then you simply must not have children. While there&#039;s nothing wrong with not having children, just don&#039;t be so quick to slam Apple for their efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“but the vast majority of iPhone users are not children”</p>
<p>Just want to point out that while children might not use you&#8217;re iPhone, one does use my wife&#8217;s and used my iPod Touch as much as we do. Know, she&#8217;s not placing phone calls on it, she got the same dozen-and-a-half or so apps just for her on both devices.</p>
<p>Granted, children aren&#8217;t the direct target for the iPhone, but they are a secondary users of it. Or as is the case for my iPod touch, it&#8217;s primarily for her. While I have all my apps on it, we have Playhouse Mickey, Caillou, and other TV shows as well as Mary Poppins, Dumbo and other G-rated movies for trips in the car. Not to mention the many alphabet, math and reading games for use in the restaurant while we&#8217;re waiting for food or when mom and dad want to have a few minutes of quiet time after she&#8217;s finished her meal.</p>
<p>My wife and I are the filter of what she views, hears, and accesses as much as humanly possible. The world being what it is, we can&#8217;t control everything. Having said that, we appreciate Apple taking extra measures to help filter content. It&#8217;s not their responsibility, but it sure helps. For those who don&#8217;t see the benefit of a company taking children into consideration, well then you simply must not have children. While there&#8217;s nothing wrong with not having children, just don&#8217;t be so quick to slam Apple for their efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: Devotee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devotee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I won&#039;t copy and paste this comment from iKeepass developer&#039;s blog, as it&#039;s quite long and should be read in context:

http://ikeepass.de/bl0g/?p=101&amp;cpage=3#comment-1905

This application (iKeepass) is another &quot;victim&quot; of Apple&#039;s review process, it was submitted eight months ago(!!) and they&#039;re still rejecting it again and again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t copy and paste this comment from iKeepass developer&#8217;s blog, as it&#8217;s quite long and should be read in context:</p>
<p><a href="http://ikeepass.de/bl0g/?p=101&#038;cpage=3#comment-1905" rel="nofollow">http://ikeepass.de/bl0g/?p=101&#038;cpage=3#comment-1905</a></p>
<p>This application (iKeepass) is another &#8220;victim&#8221; of Apple&#8217;s review process, it was submitted eight months ago(!!) and they&#8217;re still rejecting it again and again.</p>
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		<title>By: kermitology</title>
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		<dc:creator>kermitology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those supporting Apple&#039;s &quot;won&#039;t someone please think of the children&quot; stance. That is NOT for Apple to decide. It is the job of the PARENT to filter what is and is not appropriate for their children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those supporting Apple&#8217;s &#8220;won&#8217;t someone please think of the children&#8221; stance. That is NOT for Apple to decide. It is the job of the PARENT to filter what is and is not appropriate for their children.</p>
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		<title>By: Eknath Kadam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eknath Kadam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but the vast majority of iPhone users are not children&quot;

App Store is not just for iPhone, its for iPod touch too, And a huge number of children and teenagers use iPod touch as their music player and nowadays as portable gaming device. 


 “avoid applications that degrade the core experience of the iPhone”.

If you have ever downloaded any app from Android market, you will know what Apple mean by degrading core experience. Most of the Android apps just dont work as advertised. Its frustrating even to try free apps from Android market. Or even if Android market supports returns for paid apps within 24 hours. The kind of crappy apps Android market has, has definitely degraded my core experience of using my Android phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but the vast majority of iPhone users are not children&#8221;</p>
<p>App Store is not just for iPhone, its for iPod touch too, And a huge number of children and teenagers use iPod touch as their music player and nowadays as portable gaming device. </p>
<p> “avoid applications that degrade the core experience of the iPhone”.</p>
<p>If you have ever downloaded any app from Android market, you will know what Apple mean by degrading core experience. Most of the Android apps just dont work as advertised. Its frustrating even to try free apps from Android market. Or even if Android market supports returns for paid apps within 24 hours. The kind of crappy apps Android market has, has definitely degraded my core experience of using my Android phone.</p>
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		<title>By: cesjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>cesjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;they provide an alternative, but do not, and can not, replace it.&quot;  Defacto they do replace it if many users switch to it. Then apple has lost control of the phone and the core experience.  They don&#039;t want  that.  To say they are lying is silly.  At most they are dumb - but they&#039;re not.  They know exactly what they are rejecting and it makes perfect sense.  Apple is going to control and provide certain core functionality.  third party apps get the rest.  some overlap with apple provided stuff is OK - eg notepad apps  But apple wants to keep the core stuff for itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;they provide an alternative, but do not, and can not, replace it.&#8221;  Defacto they do replace it if many users switch to it. Then apple has lost control of the phone and the core experience.  They don&#8217;t want  that.  To say they are lying is silly.  At most they are dumb &#8211; but they&#8217;re not.  They know exactly what they are rejecting and it makes perfect sense.  Apple is going to control and provide certain core functionality.  third party apps get the rest.  some overlap with apple provided stuff is OK &#8211; eg notepad apps  But apple wants to keep the core stuff for itself.</p>
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		<title>By: rd</title>
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		<dc:creator>rd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VoiceMail is one of the highest profit margin product in the world.

For example, Verizon land line charges $8 per month which
it costs them 1 cent to provision it.   I bet it is even higher for
cell phone.

This is what is at stake when google voice comes calling with their free
product tied to advertisement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VoiceMail is one of the highest profit margin product in the world.</p>
<p>For example, Verizon land line charges $8 per month which<br />
it costs them 1 cent to provision it.   I bet it is even higher for<br />
cell phone.</p>
<p>This is what is at stake when google voice comes calling with their free<br />
product tied to advertisement.</p>
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		<title>By: James Katt</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Katt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally support Apple on this case.

Google&#039;s transfer of user&#039;s iPhone Addressbook to its own servers is a privacy violation.

Google should redesign Google App so that is is more like Comcast&#039;s App.  Comcast&#039;s App is readily available.  It does much of what Google App does. But it complements rather than replaces the core services of the iPhone. It has a different interface as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally support Apple on this case.</p>
<p>Google&#8217;s transfer of user&#8217;s iPhone Addressbook to its own servers is a privacy violation.</p>
<p>Google should redesign Google App so that is is more like Comcast&#8217;s App.  Comcast&#8217;s App is readily available.  It does much of what Google App does. But it complements rather than replaces the core services of the iPhone. It has a different interface as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;mark:&lt;/b&gt; I concede that Apple could be enforcing other carriers&#039; ToSs. The fact remains that they&#039;re enforcing AT&amp;T&#039;s ToS for the entire world, and if they&#039;re enforcing others&#039;, it means that my choice of apps is being constrained by the desired of Estonian Mobile Telephone, which is quite odd and not that great.

&lt;b&gt;AdamC:&lt;/b&gt; GV is already available on Blackberries on the Verizon network, no need to wait to see. And it&#039;s available on Android, but that&#039;s no surprise at all.

&lt;b&gt;ms:&lt;/b&gt; TechCrunch discussed the contacts issue in more detail here:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/21/the-simple-truth-whats-really-going-on-with-apple-google-att-and-the-fcc/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/21/the-simple-truth-whats-really-going-on-with-apple-google-att-and-the-fcc/&lt;/a&gt;

In short, GV doesn&#039;t upload your contacts, but Apple will do it from iTunes if you check a box, so Apple&#039;s claim doesn&#039;t appear to hold water.

If Apple were really concerned about apps violating the privacy of users&#039; contacts database, I have to wonder why there isn&#039;t an &quot;Allow/Don&#039;t Allow&quot; alert for accessing it, like there is for accessing your current location.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>mark:</b> I concede that Apple could be enforcing other carriers&#8217; ToSs. The fact remains that they&#8217;re enforcing AT&#038;T&#8217;s ToS for the entire world, and if they&#8217;re enforcing others&#8217;, it means that my choice of apps is being constrained by the desired of Estonian Mobile Telephone, which is quite odd and not that great.</p>
<p><b>AdamC:</b> GV is already available on Blackberries on the Verizon network, no need to wait to see. And it&#8217;s available on Android, but that&#8217;s no surprise at all.</p>
<p><b>ms:</b> TechCrunch discussed the contacts issue in more detail here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/21/the-simple-truth-whats-really-going-on-with-apple-google-att-and-the-fcc/" rel="nofollow">http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/21/the-simple-truth-whats-really-going-on-with-apple-google-att-and-the-fcc/</a></p>
<p>In short, GV doesn&#8217;t upload your contacts, but Apple will do it from iTunes if you check a box, so Apple&#8217;s claim doesn&#8217;t appear to hold water.</p>
<p>If Apple were really concerned about apps violating the privacy of users&#8217; contacts database, I have to wonder why there isn&#8217;t an &#8220;Allow/Don&#8217;t Allow&#8221; alert for accessing it, like there is for accessing your current location.</p>
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		<title>By: ms</title>
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		<dc:creator>ms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In addition, the iPhone user’s entire Contacts database is transferred to Google’s servers, and we have yet to obtain any assurances from Google that this data will only be used in appropriate ways. These factors present several new issues and questions to us that we are still pondering at this time.&quot;

If true, I do not like it and, based upon your comments about privacy above, I suspect you do not either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In addition, the iPhone user’s entire Contacts database is transferred to Google’s servers, and we have yet to obtain any assurances from Google that this data will only be used in appropriate ways. These factors present several new issues and questions to us that we are still pondering at this time.&#8221;</p>
<p>If true, I do not like it and, based upon your comments about privacy above, I suspect you do not either.</p>
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