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		<title>By: Vlax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vlax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you thought of porting your application to Android? Is a far more open dev platform and the system is great.
Hope you consider that option.
Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you thought of porting your application to Android? Is a far more open dev platform and the system is great.<br />
Hope you consider that option.<br />
Regards</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snap.

I went through the same process with FarFinder&#039;s iPhone client. (For those who don&#039;t know, FarFinder lets you access the files on your Mac from your iPhone or a web browser, and presents a Finder-like view.)

FarFinder gives you a choice of Macs to connect to and, similar to Airfoil ST, displayed an image of the appropriate Mac model using much the same mechanism.

Note the past tense. To get through the review process, I had to remove not only the delivery of Mac images, but also Apple-authored file icons: application icons, standard folder icons, etc, even though these weren&#039;t contained in the application but delivered over the network. Consequently the overall quality of the user experience is reduced on the iPhone. Oh good.

I made the network-delivery argument (VLC) and the favoritism argument (other apps do the same thing) but met the same mindless stonewalling.

Needless to say I now won&#039;t touch the damned platform with a barge-pole for core business activities. (FarFinder&#039;s iPhone app is only part of the product, and I&#039;m not ready to give it up.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snap.</p>
<p>I went through the same process with FarFinder&#8217;s iPhone client. (For those who don&#8217;t know, FarFinder lets you access the files on your Mac from your iPhone or a web browser, and presents a Finder-like view.)</p>
<p>FarFinder gives you a choice of Macs to connect to and, similar to Airfoil ST, displayed an image of the appropriate Mac model using much the same mechanism.</p>
<p>Note the past tense. To get through the review process, I had to remove not only the delivery of Mac images, but also Apple-authored file icons: application icons, standard folder icons, etc, even though these weren&#8217;t contained in the application but delivered over the network. Consequently the overall quality of the user experience is reduced on the iPhone. Oh good.</p>
<p>I made the network-delivery argument (VLC) and the favoritism argument (other apps do the same thing) but met the same mindless stonewalling.</p>
<p>Needless to say I now won&#8217;t touch the damned platform with a barge-pole for core business activities. (FarFinder&#8217;s iPhone app is only part of the product, and I&#8217;m not ready to give it up.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought this might interest you. This app is by THQ obviously with licenses from Lucas.

However, I&#039;m somehow doubting they were granted explicit usage of the iPhone image within their app as shown here &lt;a href=&quot;http://img684.yfrog.com/i/7vu.jpg/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://img684.yfrog.com/i/7vu.jpg/&lt;/a&gt;.

Approved today, November 17th.

I think there is a big possibility this app will even be featured by Apple in one of their exclusive lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this might interest you. This app is by THQ obviously with licenses from Lucas.</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m somehow doubting they were granted explicit usage of the iPhone image within their app as shown here <a href="http://img684.yfrog.com/i/7vu.jpg/" rel="nofollow">http://img684.yfrog.com/i/7vu.jpg/</a>.</p>
<p>Approved today, November 17th.</p>
<p>I think there is a big possibility this app will even be featured by Apple in one of their exclusive lists.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandee Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandee Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real question is &quot;Who is Apple?&quot; Or &quot;who is the person in charge of approving iPhone apps who decided against your product?&quot;

I suggest that the person is a VERY low man (woman) on the org-chart. That this person barely knows anything about icons inside Cocoa, or iPhone, or the man in the moon.

I suggest that the person looked at the icons and said, &quot;Oh, wow, I better check with the lawyers to see if this is allowed.&quot;

And the lawyers said, &quot;Oh no, we can&#039;t have outside developers using our icons in their art. That could diminish our copyright on the look and feel of our software.&quot;

And the app was declined.

Now, as has been very well explained in this bog post, there is NOTHING here that infringes on Apple&#039;s art.

But a LAWYER has decided that it would be easier to decline the app than it would be to find out the background.

From what I understand, most of the problems of the app store are like this.

Very low-level people (if they were higher-ups they would not be working on approving iPhone apps) scared to do anything except say no.

Perhaps that will be the new Apple marketing campaign. Instead of &quot;Think Different&quot; it will be &quot;Just Say No.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real question is &#8220;Who is Apple?&#8221; Or &#8220;who is the person in charge of approving iPhone apps who decided against your product?&#8221;</p>
<p>I suggest that the person is a VERY low man (woman) on the org-chart. That this person barely knows anything about icons inside Cocoa, or iPhone, or the man in the moon.</p>
<p>I suggest that the person looked at the icons and said, &#8220;Oh, wow, I better check with the lawyers to see if this is allowed.&#8221;</p>
<p>And the lawyers said, &#8220;Oh no, we can&#8217;t have outside developers using our icons in their art. That could diminish our copyright on the look and feel of our software.&#8221;</p>
<p>And the app was declined.</p>
<p>Now, as has been very well explained in this bog post, there is NOTHING here that infringes on Apple&#8217;s art.</p>
<p>But a LAWYER has decided that it would be easier to decline the app than it would be to find out the background.</p>
<p>From what I understand, most of the problems of the app store are like this.</p>
<p>Very low-level people (if they were higher-ups they would not be working on approving iPhone apps) scared to do anything except say no.</p>
<p>Perhaps that will be the new Apple marketing campaign. Instead of &#8220;Think Different&#8221; it will be &#8220;Just Say No.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: CS</title>
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		<dc:creator>CS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple seems to us outside developers like a monolithic organization with a coherent policy on all things app-related. But the truth is that it&#039;s a collection of thousands of people and many policies that have to keep pace with the times. Certainly they need a much more coherent policy on matters such as this one, or at least a more coherent explanation for the apparent ridiculousness of their position.

My guess is that one of two things happened: 1) Some other developer or developers submitted an app after Airfoil Speakers Touch 1.0 was already approved that abused Apple&#039;s trademarks, and a decision maker at Apple decided that the only way to manage the issue was to enforce a stricter policy on all new submissions; 2) A personnel change caused a new manager or perhaps lawyer to get involved, and they decided that a change was necessary in order to avoid the possibility of (1).

I don&#039;t mean to defend Apple here. Their policy, or their ability to explain their policy, or both, have clearly failed. I salute RA&#039;s decision to vote with their feet -- that sort of move by a developer of their renown is just the sort of thing that could help bring some reform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple seems to us outside developers like a monolithic organization with a coherent policy on all things app-related. But the truth is that it&#8217;s a collection of thousands of people and many policies that have to keep pace with the times. Certainly they need a much more coherent policy on matters such as this one, or at least a more coherent explanation for the apparent ridiculousness of their position.</p>
<p>My guess is that one of two things happened: 1) Some other developer or developers submitted an app after Airfoil Speakers Touch 1.0 was already approved that abused Apple&#8217;s trademarks, and a decision maker at Apple decided that the only way to manage the issue was to enforce a stricter policy on all new submissions; 2) A personnel change caused a new manager or perhaps lawyer to get involved, and they decided that a change was necessary in order to avoid the possibility of (1).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to defend Apple here. Their policy, or their ability to explain their policy, or both, have clearly failed. I salute RA&#8217;s decision to vote with their feet &#8212; that sort of move by a developer of their renown is just the sort of thing that could help bring some reform.</p>
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		<title>By: DAVE</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAVE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not an iPhone developer but I have been around and managed enough large organizations to see that Apple has discovered a flaw in their trademark control program and they don&#039;t quite know how to resolve the issue.

There are certainly many people inside Apple that understand their position is factually untenable but they are countered by others with the Apple &quot; must not be crossed&quot; mentality. It is a stand off inside Apple as the common &quot;..still under review..&quot; comments is stand bureaucratic speak for when the system is caught in an infinite &quot;do-loop&quot; waiting for an adult to hit the ESC key.

In any case this makes Apple look a bit foolish if not childish by many developers and casual company observers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not an iPhone developer but I have been around and managed enough large organizations to see that Apple has discovered a flaw in their trademark control program and they don&#8217;t quite know how to resolve the issue.</p>
<p>There are certainly many people inside Apple that understand their position is factually untenable but they are countered by others with the Apple &#8221; must not be crossed&#8221; mentality. It is a stand off inside Apple as the common &#8220;..still under review..&#8221; comments is stand bureaucratic speak for when the system is caught in an infinite &#8220;do-loop&#8221; waiting for an adult to hit the ESC key.</p>
<p>In any case this makes Apple look a bit foolish if not childish by many developers and casual company observers.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, I&#039;m also getting the macbook pro iMac graphics when I send audio from my macbook pro. I do have the latest version of airfoil for mac...interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, I&#8217;m also getting the macbook pro iMac graphics when I send audio from my macbook pro. I do have the latest version of airfoil for mac&#8230;interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Kafasis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Kafasis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Jerry:&lt;/b&gt; With out-of-date versions of Airfoil for Mac, you&#039;ll still get the old behavior. Unfortunately, these versions are unsupported and you need to update - 3.4.2 includes several important bug fixes, as will future updates. Sticking with an old Airfoil simply to maintain this functionality is not wise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Jerry:</b> With out-of-date versions of Airfoil for Mac, you&#8217;ll still get the old behavior. Unfortunately, these versions are unsupported and you need to update &#8211; 3.4.2 includes several important bug fixes, as will future updates. Sticking with an old Airfoil simply to maintain this functionality is not wise.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pavel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Zed : besides Cydia, there is another possible distribution channel that - unlike Cydia - is perfectly legal. Bundle your application as library so you don&#039;t have to disclose your source code, wrap it into XCode project and sell it to iPhone developers. They can legally compile it and install on their iPhone (and iPhone of their pals). Given the amount of iPhone developers, each able to address up to 100 devices, it is not that insignificant channel as you might think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Zed : besides Cydia, there is another possible distribution channel that &#8211; unlike Cydia &#8211; is perfectly legal. Bundle your application as library so you don&#8217;t have to disclose your source code, wrap it into XCode project and sell it to iPhone developers. They can legally compile it and install on their iPhone (and iPhone of their pals). Given the amount of iPhone developers, each able to address up to 100 devices, it is not that insignificant channel as you might think.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I&#039;ve updated the iPhone app to v1.01, but when I connect to it, I still see my Macbook Pro icon, with the iTunes icon inside it - is this not what you were suppose to take out? If so, and you did, did Apple maybe decide to make your original v1.01 available? Either way, I like having the icons show up, so I&#039;m glad mine is still showing.
Anybody else have this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;ve updated the iPhone app to v1.01, but when I connect to it, I still see my Macbook Pro icon, with the iTunes icon inside it &#8211; is this not what you were suppose to take out? If so, and you did, did Apple maybe decide to make your original v1.01 available? Either way, I like having the icons show up, so I&#8217;m glad mine is still showing.<br />
Anybody else have this?</p>
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